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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.thedeppeffect.com/581/something-special-in-the-cheese-department/comment-page-1/#comment-3732</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;A Decker&lt;/b&gt; - Well, yes, we used to be able to call English things English, but the government has decided (without consulting us) that using the term British is better. The trouble with that is that it covers Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well, so we now have the situation where each of those countries has a separate identity and we, the English, do not. And we&#039;re getting mad about it.  

The English are perceived as being the &#039;rich and powerful&#039; part of the equation.  

Wales is a fiercely nationalistic country, Northern Ireland has been fighting for cultural identity for years.  The English are traditionally meek and &#039;stiff upper lip&#039;.  The government is composed largely of Scots.  You do the math, as the Americans say.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>A Decker</b> &#8211; Well, yes, we used to be able to call English things English, but the government has decided (without consulting us) that using the term British is better. The trouble with that is that it covers Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well, so we now have the situation where each of those countries has a separate identity and we, the English, do not. And we&#8217;re getting mad about it.  </p>
<p>The English are perceived as being the &#8216;rich and powerful&#8217; part of the equation.  </p>
<p>Wales is a fiercely nationalistic country, Northern Ireland has been fighting for cultural identity for years.  The English are traditionally meek and &#8217;stiff upper lip&#8217;.  The government is composed largely of Scots.  You do the math, as the Americans say.  <img src='http://www.thedeppeffect.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A. Decker</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Decker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For many years now I&#039;ve wondered why one hears/reads the word &quot;British&quot; all the time, but &quot;English&quot; never. Seems like it used to be, at some point in time, English was called English! Am I wrong? When did it change? Or are you saying, it&#039;s still changing, getting worse even now?
Doesn&#039;t make sense. I think you&#039;re right, it smacks of PC, but still doesn&#039;t make sense.
Who the f$#k is upset about the English? In the 21st century!

A. Deckers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://resonant-enigma.blogspot.com/2008/10/found-it.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Found It!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many years now I&#8217;ve wondered why one hears/reads the word &#8220;British&#8221; all the time, but &#8220;English&#8221; never. Seems like it used to be, at some point in time, English was called English! Am I wrong? When did it change? Or are you saying, it&#8217;s still changing, getting worse even now?<br />
Doesn&#8217;t make sense. I think you&#8217;re right, it smacks of PC, but still doesn&#8217;t make sense.<br />
Who the f$#k is upset about the English? In the 21st century!</p>
<p>A. Deckers last blog post..<a href="http://resonant-enigma.blogspot.com/2008/10/found-it.html" rel="nofollow">Found It!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yum good choice. I love blackcurrant jam. I&#039;m partial to ginger conserve too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yum good choice. I love blackcurrant jam. I&#8217;m partial to ginger conserve too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Jeni&lt;/b&gt; - Thank you!  :D

You&#039;re right. That is a huge problem for those of us who are moderate but who still wish to be patriotic, and claim our identity and culture.  

Yeah.  Pass the tea and scones.  I&#039;ll have blackcurrant jam on &#039;em too, if you don&#039;t mind.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Jeni</b> &#8211; Thank you!  <img src='http://www.thedeppeffect.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. That is a huge problem for those of us who are moderate but who still wish to be patriotic, and claim our identity and culture.  </p>
<p>Yeah.  Pass the tea and scones.  I&#8217;ll have blackcurrant jam on &#8216;em too, if you don&#8217;t mind.  <img src='http://www.thedeppeffect.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Jay. More people need to stand up and make a fuss. One of the growing problems is that the majority who still claim the St George Cross and the English label for themselves are hard line, racist, B.N.P.members; Consequently those with more liberal views don&#039;t want to be counted in with them by claiming their English heritage with pride.
More tea with your cream scone my love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Jay. More people need to stand up and make a fuss. One of the growing problems is that the majority who still claim the St George Cross and the English label for themselves are hard line, racist, B.N.P.members; Consequently those with more liberal views don&#8217;t want to be counted in with them by claiming their English heritage with pride.<br />
More tea with your cream scone my love?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Maureen&lt;/b&gt; - I&#039;m guessing that your friend was either a civil servant (working for the government) or a very PC person.  Mostly, people prefer you to get their actual country of origin right!  They tend to get offended the other way round!  

Unless, of course, he wasn&#039;t actually English!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Maureen</b> &#8211; I&#8217;m guessing that your friend was either a civil servant (working for the government) or a very PC person.  Mostly, people prefer you to get their actual country of origin right!  They tend to get offended the other way round!  </p>
<p>Unless, of course, he wasn&#8217;t actually English!  <img src='http://www.thedeppeffect.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad to hear you say this... a few years back, I introduced a friend from your country as being from England. He got quite upset with me and said it was the &quot;United Kingdom&quot;, not England.

I was taken quite aback; I didn&#039;t mean anything by it, and never thought that would be considered an insult.... geez! I can&#039;t stand all the PC crap nowadays. People are just looking for anything to get upset about...

Maureens last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratherbeblogging.com/2008/10/back-from-big-city.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Back From The Big City&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to hear you say this&#8230; a few years back, I introduced a friend from your country as being from England. He got quite upset with me and said it was the &#8220;United Kingdom&#8221;, not England.</p>
<p>I was taken quite aback; I didn&#8217;t mean anything by it, and never thought that would be considered an insult&#8230;. geez! I can&#8217;t stand all the PC crap nowadays. People are just looking for anything to get upset about&#8230;</p>
<p>Maureens last blog post..<a href="http://www.ratherbeblogging.com/2008/10/back-from-big-city.html" rel="nofollow">Back From The Big City</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Meleah&lt;/b&gt; - Surely not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; cheese?? What about cheese so mild it&#039;s like eating tasteless rubber, or so strong that it takes the skin off your mouth? LOL!

&lt;b&gt;RMH&lt;/b&gt; - A real put-down!  But he&#039;s right, I guess, because you can become a British citizen, but you cannot choose English citizenship as far as I know.  You&#039;d have to be born here.

&lt;b&gt;EWB Lady&lt;/b&gt; - The French wouldn&#039;t stand for it, either.  But we English are so &#039;polite&#039; and don&#039;t like to make a fuss.  So there you are, we get sidelined.

&lt;b&gt;Petra&lt;/b&gt; - No, no, no!  British is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; synonymous with English!  It&#039;s like this: England is one of the countries that make up Great Britain, the others being Scotland and Wales.  The British Isles, on the other hand, emcompasses Northern Ireland, the Channel Isles, the Isle of Man, etc.

England is England, just as Scotland is Scotland, or Wales is Wales.  But all three can be described as British.  

The thing I&#039;m complaining about with the food labelling is that Scotland gets the saltire (Scottish Flag) on food labels which say &#039;Scottish&#039;.  It&#039;s very clear - the food inside comes from Scotland.  Wales gets the Welsh dragon flag and the word &#039;Welsh&#039; - as in Welsh lamb - which is equally clear.  But we in England don&#039;t seem to be extended the same courtesy. You hardly ever see the Cross of St George (English flag), we have to put up with the Union Jack and the label &#039;British&#039;.

But food labelled British does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; have to be English. It can come from Scotland, Wales OR England.

And food labelled &#039;UK&#039;, can come from any one of those three countries OR Northern Ireland.  But interestingly, not the Isle of Man, which isn&#039;t part of the UK. Lucky IOM, say I.

I&#039;ve added a link to the bottom of the post which explains the difference, if you&#039;re interested. :)

&lt;b&gt;Jenn&lt;/b&gt; - I&#039;m sure the needle will swing back, it usually does.  And yes, I&#039;m hoping this current obsession with lawsuits will cease, too. It&#039;s costing us all a great deal, and not only in money!

&lt;b&gt;Mr N&lt;/b&gt; - You know, in all the times we&#039;ve come over to the US, we&#039;ve never found a decent bit of cheddar. People assure me it&#039;s out there, but I guess we&#039;d have to search out a deli somewhere.  

You&#039;re quite right about what &#039;British&#039; means.  And yes, NI is often referred to separately, because while it is part of the British Isles, it isn&#039;t part of Britain.  Confused yet?  I&#039;ve added a nice little link at the bottom of the post if you&#039;re interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Meleah</b> &#8211; Surely not <i>all</i> cheese?? What about cheese so mild it&#8217;s like eating tasteless rubber, or so strong that it takes the skin off your mouth? LOL!</p>
<p><b>RMH</b> &#8211; A real put-down!  But he&#8217;s right, I guess, because you can become a British citizen, but you cannot choose English citizenship as far as I know.  You&#8217;d have to be born here.</p>
<p><b>EWB Lady</b> &#8211; The French wouldn&#8217;t stand for it, either.  But we English are so &#8216;polite&#8217; and don&#8217;t like to make a fuss.  So there you are, we get sidelined.</p>
<p><b>Petra</b> &#8211; No, no, no!  British is <i>not</i> synonymous with English!  It&#8217;s like this: England is one of the countries that make up Great Britain, the others being Scotland and Wales.  The British Isles, on the other hand, emcompasses Northern Ireland, the Channel Isles, the Isle of Man, etc.</p>
<p>England is England, just as Scotland is Scotland, or Wales is Wales.  But all three can be described as British.  </p>
<p>The thing I&#8217;m complaining about with the food labelling is that Scotland gets the saltire (Scottish Flag) on food labels which say &#8216;Scottish&#8217;.  It&#8217;s very clear &#8211; the food inside comes from Scotland.  Wales gets the Welsh dragon flag and the word &#8216;Welsh&#8217; &#8211; as in Welsh lamb &#8211; which is equally clear.  But we in England don&#8217;t seem to be extended the same courtesy. You hardly ever see the Cross of St George (English flag), we have to put up with the Union Jack and the label &#8216;British&#8217;.</p>
<p>But food labelled British does <i>not</i> have to be English. It can come from Scotland, Wales OR England.</p>
<p>And food labelled &#8216;UK&#8217;, can come from any one of those three countries OR Northern Ireland.  But interestingly, not the Isle of Man, which isn&#8217;t part of the UK. Lucky IOM, say I.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve added a link to the bottom of the post which explains the difference, if you&#8217;re interested. <img src='http://www.thedeppeffect.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Jenn</b> &#8211; I&#8217;m sure the needle will swing back, it usually does.  And yes, I&#8217;m hoping this current obsession with lawsuits will cease, too. It&#8217;s costing us all a great deal, and not only in money!</p>
<p><b>Mr N</b> &#8211; You know, in all the times we&#8217;ve come over to the US, we&#8217;ve never found a decent bit of cheddar. People assure me it&#8217;s out there, but I guess we&#8217;d have to search out a deli somewhere.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re quite right about what &#8216;British&#8217; means.  And yes, NI is often referred to separately, because while it is part of the British Isles, it isn&#8217;t part of Britain.  Confused yet?  I&#8217;ve added a nice little link at the bottom of the post if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Nighttime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Nighttime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love real English cheddar, but I gotta tell you, a good hunk of Wisconsin or NY cheddar, made right, can give English cheddar a run for its money...I hear what you&#039;re saying about identity though. As I understand it, being &quot;British&quot; entails taking in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, though the last one is often placed separately. (&quot;Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) I always thought Great Britain was England, Wales and Scotland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love real English cheddar, but I gotta tell you, a good hunk of Wisconsin or NY cheddar, made right, can give English cheddar a run for its money&#8230;I hear what you&#8217;re saying about identity though. As I understand it, being &#8220;British&#8221; entails taking in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, though the last one is often placed separately. (&#8221;Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) I always thought Great Britain was England, Wales and Scotland.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn Thorson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn Thorson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to hear this perspective, and good to know what some of the changing cultural attitudes are there in England, and then the UK as a whole. I&#039;m figuring the needle will move the other way once more-- but in the meantime, there is this PC overcompensation in many areas.

I&#039;m hoping, too, someday soon we won&#039;t have to worry about lawsuits perpetually over inadvertently offending someone, as well.

Or maybe I&#039;m just overly-optimistic. :)

Jenn Thorsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://cabbages-n-kings.blogspot.com/2008/10/z-word.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Z Word&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to hear this perspective, and good to know what some of the changing cultural attitudes are there in England, and then the UK as a whole. I&#8217;m figuring the needle will move the other way once more&#8211; but in the meantime, there is this PC overcompensation in many areas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping, too, someday soon we won&#8217;t have to worry about lawsuits perpetually over inadvertently offending someone, as well.</p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m just overly-optimistic. <img src='http://www.thedeppeffect.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jenn Thorsons last blog post..<a href="http://cabbages-n-kings.blogspot.com/2008/10/z-word.html" rel="nofollow">The Z Word</a></p>
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